

"I have a 1985 Jeep Cherokee, with a 2.8/standard.
Is there anybody who makes a bigger lift than 4 inches or is there any way
of getting more than 4in out of a Cherokee?"
Tomken Machine has a 6" lift available, it's the
tallest lift I'm aware of for XJ's.
"I have a 1981 Jeep CJ7, with a 2.2 Isuzu Diesel.
Hi from New Zealand where we have lots of mud and
hills, but not much rock crawling
My son has an 81 RHD CJ7 originally built for the Malaysian market.
Currently it is running on the original Goodyear Tracker AT 9-15 tyres ( its only done about 6000
miles) on the original 15" rims. When offroad in the mud we run into problems with
lack of traction and clearance (my M38-A1 on 7.00 16 SAT's outperforms it).
We need a set of wheels and tyres which will be used solely offroad to overcome these problems.
I can obtain new wheels in either 15 or 16 inch sizes with whatever offset is required.
What is the largest tyre/wheel combination we can fit without a body lift and what offset will we
need? Gearing should not be an issue as with the low rev torque of the diesel we have not needed
low ratio 1st yet."
You can run up to a 31" tall tire. To find the diameter of a metric tire in
inches, go to http://www.dirtroad.com/gears.htm. If you decide to purchase
new rims, retain the same backspacing as the original rims.
"I have a 1997 TJ, with a 4.0 / Manual. I added a
2.5" suspension lift to my TJ and am now interested in a 1" body lift for
it. Do you know of any manufacturers that make 1" body lifts for a TJ w/air?"
Contact JB Conversions and
Mountain Off Road Enterprises (M.O.R.E.) at 970-625-0500. Both have 1" TJ
body lifts.
"I have a 1993 jeep wrangler, with a 2.5L. I just
had the stock transmission changed out for an NV4500. Additionally, the rear axle was changed
from a Dana 35C to a Dana 44 with a Detroit Locker. The transfercase had an M.I.T. kit
installed. Also, a CV drive shaft was installed. The shop that did the work was a reputable one
(M.I.T. in El Cajon, CA). My questions are these... When they installed the Dana 44 they didn't
install the track bar. I use my vehicle as a daily driver. Is this something that should have
been installed? Is it normal not to re-install it? Does not having it decrease on-road capabilities?
I have a 2.5" Rancho lift and run 31x10.5 tires. (P.S. The mods work great off-road. I'm very
happy with them. Thank you for giving excellent advise to your readers. The comments you made
went a long way towards me picking the right setup.)"
In my opinion, there's nothing wrong with removing the trackbar on a YJ.
None of the older CJ's were equipped with one, and I can only assume that
Chrysler added the track bar to the YJ to minimally improve on road
handling. It would not surprise me if you didn't notice any difference in
handling with or without the track bar installed. The track bar only serves
to keep the rear axle from shifting side to side during normal on road
driving. On older CJ's, this lateral movement was controlled by the "fixed"
mount of the leaf springs. As long as the leaf spring bushings were in good
shape and stock length shackles were used, little if any lateral movement
of the axle was allowed. Off-road, the track bar performs the opposite
function. As the axle moves up or down, the track bar forces the axle to
one side or the other (depending on whether the springs are being
compressed or released) which will create a bind since the leaf springs
also control lateral movement. Obviously, this will greatly inhibit wheel
travel. MIT did you a favor by not reinstalling the track bar.
"I have a 1992 YJ, with a 4.0. I am wondering the
amount of time it takes to remove and install bushing in all four leaf
springs. I can't get a straight answer from any garages here. How big a job
is it?"
An experienced mechanic should be able to complete the job before lunch.
Place the Jeep on jackstands located underneath the framerails in order to
remove the vehicle weight from the springs. Support the axle with a floor
jack and remove the springs from the frame (there's no need to remove the
U-bolts). Lowering the axle, with the springs attached will allow enough
room to gain access to the bushings.
"I have a 1995 Jeep Cherokee Sport, with a 4.0,
standard. Hello, I have been thinking of putting bigger tires on my Cherokee but I have
been told that 31x10.5 where too big and they would rub. I have no lift on
my Jeep and I dont want to put one on just to put bigger tires. I was wondering if you would be able to
tell me what would the biggest size that would fit with out rubbing.
I was thinking of putting 265-70r15. would they hit? How would that affect
my spedo? Thanks for all your help and keep up the good work!
A 265/70/R15 tire and a 30x9.50R15 tire are virtually the same size. The
height of either tire should be fine, but the width may cause a slight rub
on the lower control arms in a sharp turn. To determine your speedometer
error, check out (gears.htm).
"I have a 1987 Jeep Cherokee Pioneer, with a 4.0
I-6/5 Spd. What kind of tires came stock on my Jeep?"
Check the driver's side door jam for a sticker that will indicate your
VIN#, GVWR, and stock tire size among other things.
"I have a 1988 Jeep YJ, with a 4.2, 6 cyl/standard.
My Jeep is pretty much stock. I wanted to put on some
32x11.50x15 Super Swamper Thornbirds. Would they fit if I added a 3-inch
body lift? Would they rub bad? What is the smallest size rim that 10.50 and
11.50 wide tires will fit on? Thanx!"
A 3" body lift would allow plenty of room for 32" tires. You will need new
rims at least 8" wide with less backspacing than stock to avoid tire
contact with the leaf springs.
"I have a 1990 Jeep Cherokee, with a 4.0 /auto. I
want to know where I can get a 6" suspinsion lift from, because Big 10 Tires
says that they can only get a 3-inch and I plan to put 33x12.50 Swamper
Thornbird on it. "
Rubicon Express www.rubiconexpress.com and Tomken Machine
www.tomken.com both offer suspension lifts for XJ's that will clear 33's.
"I have a 1997 TJ, with a 4.0/Man. I'm looking a
doing a 1-inch body lift. Is there a problem in using steel spacers? I'm
looking at 63mmx25mm with 13mm hole. Thanks for your help..."
I don't see any problem with using steel at all.
"I have a 1988 Wrangler YJ, with a 258 6cyl. 4.2
liter. I have been considering a lift for some time and have been doing
some research but have yet to make my decision. Right now, everything is
basically stock with the exception of 31x10.5 tires. I don't plan on
increasing my tire size, but I'm considering a lift to prevent rubbing.
This means about 2.5". My question: Do I really gain anything else,
especially if I don't plan on increasing my tire size? My understanding is
that my axle clearance doesn't change because my tire size hasn't changed,
but do I get more wheel travel? What are the benefits for my situation?
It is my daily driver and I don't beat it up off-road. Suggestions?"
It's true that ground to axle clearance will not increase with a suspension
lift alone, but frame to ground clearance will increase. You'll appreciate
this when cresting a steep hill or driving over a large rock. With the
right suspension lift, both wheel travel and ride could be improved. The
Rancho 2.5" kit offers a surprisingly smooth ride (in my opinion, better
than stock). I suspect the Old Man Emu kit is just as good, if not better.
In your case, I don't think you need to "beat up" your Jeep off road to
realize the benefits of a suspension lift. If nothing else, you'll keep the
31's from rearranging your fenders.
"I have a 1984 Jeep XJ, with a 2.5/auto, and a
question regarding gear ratio. I would like to know what gear ratio and
what kind of front and rearend I have in my XJ? I would like to
go to 30x9.50 or 31x10.5 from stock tires and would like to know if I need
to switch gears? What problems will I run into if I dont switch? I
appreciate your wisdom and knowledge!"
Late model Jeeps with 4 cylinder engines were almost always equipped with
4.10 gears. The easiest way to verify this is to check the axle ID tag
attached to the differential cover, "4.10" should be clearly stamped in the
tag. If the tags have been removed, you can always count driveshaft
revolutions per tire revolution. A little over 4 turns of the driveshaft
per turn of the wheel would indicate a 4.10 ratio. The factory axles should
have been a Dana 35 rear and 30 front.
Considering the moderate tire size that you're considering combined with
the already low axle ratio, I really wouldn't consider a swap to lower
gears as mandatory. You won't do any damage to your Jeep if you don't
change gear sets. Performance will diminish somewhat with the 4.10's,
swapping in a set of 4.56's would be ideal with the new tires. Whether the
difference is worth a grand of gearsets is up to you.
"I have a 1997 Jeep Cherokee Sport w/UpCountry
Package, with a 4.0 inline 6. Do you know if anyone has experimented with
what the largest REAL diameter/width tire will fit on the Cherokee Sport
with the Up Country package? Also does backspacing have to change from
factory to fit them?"
As you already know, many of the popular tire sizes for 4x4 use are not the
same size as stated on the sidewall. With that said, a 30x9.50R15 will work
well on your Cherokee with the Up Country suspension package. The 30" tire
is normally a quarter to a half inch shorter than advertised. A 31" tire
will be too large. My experience is that retaining the factory backspacing
and rim width on Cherokee's allows for better clearance than an aftermarket
rim with less backspacing would. With the stock backspacing, the 30" tires
will tuck neatly underneath the fenders when off road (especially in the
rear), whereas a rim with less backspacing would push the tire farther out
creating contact with the fenders and much less potential wheel travel.
"I have a 1993 Wrangler, with a 4.0 auto. I
recently installed a 2" lift kit from Rough Country. After the
installation I have a vibration at speeds between 35 and 45 mph. How do I
begin trying to find a correction for this. It does feel like it's in the rear, so I
assume it is driveshaft problem. The kit did have shims on the springs and a lowering kit for the
transfer case. I had hope that a mild lift like this would cause no
problems..but it did and I do not know how to track down or what to do now."
A well designed 2" suspension lift will not cause vibration in a Wrangler.
I'd wager that the operating angles for each U-joint on the rear driveshaft
are not equal. This condition is an all too common cause of driveshaft
vibration in 4x4's with suspension lifts. Check out the "All about
U-Joints" article (http://www.dirtroad.com/articleb.htm) for the cure.
"I have a 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee, with a
V-8/Auto. Can I put 30x9.50 B.F.Goodrich Long Trail Radials on my ZJ
without a lift kit?"
Yes.
"I have a 1989 Cherokee Laredo, with a
4.0/Auto. My 1989 Cherokee has an off-road package sticker on the back
window. Is this a factory option, and if so, how big a tire can I put
under it? Right now I am running 30x9.5x15 Wild Country's. Also, what
difference is there between the 4.0L engine and the 4.0L High
Output?"
If your Cherokee does have the "off-road" or "Up Country" packages, then it
should have skidplates for the transfer case and fuel tank, and usually two
tow hooks underneath the front bumper. The Up Country package also included
better shocks, and slightly taller springs for a l" lift.
A 31" tire would be the absolute max on a stock Cherokee, 30" tires are
probably a better choice to avoid any interference.
To my knowledge, the differences between the old 4.0 and the newer high
output version included a minor change in the cylinder head for improved
airflow, elimination of the old cast iron exhaust manifold in favor of a
tubular "header", and a new engine computer. Mopar sells a new computer for
your old 4.0L that claims an instant increase of 10 hp if you're interested.
"I have a 1977 Jeep CJ-7, with a 436 Perkins 4-Cylinder
Diesel, Ford F-150 4-speed overdrive transmission and transfer.
Well if you look at the engine and transmission combo you can see I have
majorly modifyed this Jeep. I am planing to use this Jeep for both offroad
and onroad. I wish to put some kind of lift on it but I am not sure. What
is the best kit for about 1.5-2 inches that is good for both offroad and
onroad? Plus, the engine only turns out about 2100 rpm is there a way I can
calculate my top speed to see if I am going to have to swap
gears?"
Since you obviously have no problem with a little custom fabrication, use
YJ springs instead of CJ springs. The ride will be much softer, with a
corresponding increase in articulation. I've been very impressed with Old
Man Emu suspension systems, and have no hesitation in recommending their
springs. To calculate your top speed, check out www.dirtroad.com/gears.htm
"I have a 1960 M38-A1, with a 4cyl/ T-90. Will
early CJ-5 front springs interchange w/M38-A1 springs? "
Yes.
"I have a 1988 Jeep Wrangler, with a 4.2/manual. I
just purcahsed this Jeep Wrangler and it needs new tires. I want to use the
Jeep as a daily driver but also to get me to the ski resorts and as a
hunting vehicle. I was wondering if you could advise a rim and wheel size
that would be good for this. maybe even a lift if it would help out for
what I need it for."
A suspension lift is obviously beneficial for off-roading, but certainly
isn't mandatory. The max tire size for a stock YJ is a 30x9.50R15. On the
stock wheels, these tires will rub the rear of the leaf springs in a sharp
turn. When you shop for new rims, be sure to use wheels with less
backspacing to cure the problem.
"I have a 1998 Wrangler Sport, with a 4.0 liter. I
wanted to put a 2 in. suspension lift on my Jeep with 33 X 12.5 BF Goodrich
tires on 15 X 8 AR-39 rims. I was wondering what lift kit I should get
since I am new to the whole thing and if the tires will bulge out on the 8
in. rims. Should I go with the 10 in. rims or 15 X 10.5 in tires? What are
your suggestions."
Short of recommending any specific manufacturer, just remember that the old
saying "you get what you pay for" applies to suspension lifts as well. Talk
with several shops before deciding on a kit.
A 12.5" tire will bulge quite a bit on an 8" rim, but I've been very happy
with the setup. That sidewall bulge will protect your expensive rims from
damage. I'd recommend running a fairly low tire pressure for even tread
wear with this setup. Something in the neighborhood of 15-20 psi in the
rear and around 25 psi in front.
"I have a 1996 Jeep ZJ Limited, with a 5.2 V8/
QuadTrac. I recently had the Teraflex 3.5" lift installed.
I now have a weird grinding noise in the middle to
rear when I take my foot off the gas and going
over 50mph. 49mph and below no problem. Is this
due to a drive shaft angle that is too great, need
to drop transfer case or more of this drive line
vibration problem I hear about the ZJ's? Thank
You."
The problem you describe is very indicative of improper driveshaft angles
or a worn out U-joint. Check out http://www.dirtroad.com/articleb.htm for
the fix.
"I have a 1983 CJ7, with a 6-cylinder and a 5-speed. I am
planning to install a 2" to 2-1/2"
lift onto my 83 CJ7. I was wondering if there is
anything to look out for such as lengthening the
brake lines, do most kits supply ALL new parts,
etc?"
You should consider longer brake lines if you intend to spend much time off
road in your CJ. A dropped steering arm won't be necessary for the minimal
lift your considering. Most kits come with 4 new springs, but some
manufacturers don't supply new spring bushings with the kit. If you're
U-bolts are rusty or banged up, you'll need to replace them, they're almost
never included in the kit. Be sure to get longer shocks to go with the lift.
"I have a 1992 Wrangler, with a 4.0. What
suspension make up would you recommend for 33" or 35" tires? I have a 1992
Jeep Wrangler 4.0. I would like the most articulation as possible. I would
like to use the Old Man Emu system , but it is my understanding that it
only comes in a 2" lift. Would it be OK to go with it and make the
difference up with a body lift? What kind of lift do I need anyway to clear
these tires (4", 6", etc.)? Is it better to go with a combination of
suspension and body lift? Also what is the widest tire you would recommend
putting on 8.5" rims?"
OME has a 3.5" YJ kit that will clear 33" tires. For 35" tires, you'll need
to add a 2" body lift. A 12.5" wide tire is as wide as you should go on an
8.5" rim.
"I have a 1985 CJ-7, with a 258 I-6 /
T-176. Will I need longer brake lines for a 4 inch lift? Also, I haven't
been able to determine my axle ratio's but I think they're stock. What are
the stock axle ratios and will they be good enough to handle
33's?"
If you intend to ever take your Jeep off road, you'll need longer brake
lines.
The easy way to determine axle ratio's is to check the ID tag that's bolted
to the front differential cover. Look for a number such as "3.08" or
"3.55". If the tag is missing, or you have reason to believe the gears have
been swapped before, you'll have to jack up the rear of the vehicle and
count driveshaft revolutions. With the transmission in neutral, rotate the
driveshaft by hand and count the number of driveshaft revolutions for one
revolution of the tire. Three and a half driveshaft revolutions for one
tire revolution would mean a 3.55 ratio. Regardless of what gears you
currently have, whether they are "good enough" for 33's is up to you. The
loss in performance will be significant with the larger tires, but whether
the performance drops enough to necessitate a gear swap is your call.
"I currently own a 1984 Jeep CJ-7 with the following:
258 Inline 6 cyl. w/Weber Carb & Clifford Valve Cover. (Toying with the
idea of doing the AMC 360 swap - in the future) Lengthened full floating
Dana 44's (reverse cut in front), 4.10's in the pumpkins, ARB Airlocker in
rear diff, Warn 5-bolt lockout hubs. T-18a (6.32 1st) manual tranny w/Dana
20 transfer case & 6-States built Driveshafts. Rancho 2-1/2 Lift with heavy
duty shackles (towing shackles that are reversed) 5 33x12.50x15 BF Goodrich
Mud Terrains on Riken 15x10 Rims. Custom Fabricated Rear Bumper for
increased angle of departure. Receiver Hitch built to take the weight of
the full size spare. Smittybuilt Brush Guard modified to carry Warn XD9000i.
Smittybuilt nerf bars, 20-gallon gas tank.
I use the vehicle for slow rock crawling on technical trails such as those
found in Moab. The Rubicon, Dusy & the Hammers are all on my "Want to do"
list.
I would like to go up to a 4-5 inch lift while keeping the springs under
the axles. I am currently running the Rancho 2.5 inch lift but am tired of
it's limited articulation and very rough ride.
My Jeep is a daily driver that see's limited highway use (to drive several
houes to the trails but not much more than that). It is also a slow'n go
rockcrawler that needs to have the clerance and flexability to traverse the
harshest obsticles that Moab has to throw at me.
I'm looking for a lift that will give me the best of both worlds. One that
has a good ride on the street (anything better than the Rancho is an
improvement) and also deliver maximium articluation on the trails yet will
still hold the arch of the springs and will not settle/sag and loose the
lift height that I desire to maintain.
I'd like your opinion on what lift(s) I should seriously consider for
this. I'm on a limited budget and would like to do this as economically as
possible (don't we all). I'd also like info on what I'll have to buy in
addition to the kit itself (ie dropped pitman arm, brake lines, etc...).
All the info you can give me will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!!"
Old Man Emu Suspensions has a 4" lift for YJ's that is easily adaptable to
your CJ. The rear springs are a direct swap, the front YJ springs are wider
than the CJ springs, but can be installed easily with a bolt on kit from
JKS. This kit should provide a much better ride than a comparable 4" CJ
kit, look for an upcoming installation and test at Dirt Road soon.
You already have a good idea of the corrective measures that need to be
taken when moving the axles farther away from the frame. You will need a
dropped steering arm, longer brake lines and spend a little time shimming
the rear end for proper driveshaft angles.
" Hello, I have a 1996 Grand Cherokee Ltd with a V8 5.2eng.
My question is; I want to make a small lift to accomodate 31" tires.
What is the best kit to put in my car and what do you recomend in tires
and wheels. Many thanks. Luiz Quintella, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil."
Teraflex (www.teraflx.com) has a nice lift for your Grand Cherokee that
will clear 31's perfectly. What wheels and tires you decide to use are
really a matter of personal preference for your off road needs. I will
admit I'm partial to the BFGoodrich AT or MT tires, they simply haven't let
me down yet.
"Hi, I'm looking for springs and shocks for my '95
YJ that are suitable for desert racing. I don't do trail rock crawling or
anything, just drive fast like crazy on dirt roads on weekends. So I don't
really need a huge lift, maybe 2" or so, but the kit should gives me a lot
of suspension travel. I still drive my YJ daily in the city so a soft ride
is a priority as well. I need something very reliable since we usually
venture hundreds of mile inside the Egyptian Sahara desert where there
aren't even gas stations.
I was thinking about getting 2" Softride springs and Rancho RS 9000
shocks. I know the RS 9000 are pretty reliable but what about the Softride
springs? can they take a beating?"
Look into the Old Man Emu line of suspension lifts and matching shocks from
ARB. They will provide an excellent ride, plenty of travel, and take a
beating.
"Does OME make a suspension lift for an '89
Comanche."
Yes, the Cherokee suspension lift also fits the Comanche.
"I just bought a '98 Wrangler Sport. I had them
put the 30-inch tire package on. First, I want to know what classification
my Wrangler is. Is it considered a TJ? Second, I am interested in putting
33x11.50 mud tires on it. Would I need any suspension lift, or a
body lift? Would I need anything changed with the suspension? After
reading other questions I've noticed that there are many diffirent types of
4 wheel drive/suspension packages you can put on your jeep to modify. What
are the best that you can recommend? I know that the DaimlerChrysler sells
it with the Dana 44. Thank you for you help in these areas."
Your Wrangler with round headlights is a TJ. You will need 3-4" suspension
lift to accomodate 33" tires. Check out Teraflex
(www.teraflx.com), they
produce a very nice suspension system for your TJ. The Dana 44 is a heavier
duty rear axle option over the stock Dana 35 and has nothing to do with
tire clearance.
"I would like to install the biggest tires, height
and width, on my '97 Jeep Wrangler Sport without doing a lift or suspension
modification. I purchased the vehicle with the 5 spoke aluminum 15x8
wheels. I have tried both 31x10.50 and 31x11.50's and both rub on the frame
in moderate turns. What combination of tires and wheels do you recommend?"
The 31x10.50's rub because of the stock rim's backspacing. An aftermarket
rim with less backspacing should cure the rub. If you want to keep the
stock wheels, stick with 30x9.50's.
"I would like to upgrade the suspension and tires
on my 1991 YJ Renegade.
The stock suspension does not meet the needs of the local terrain. I live
in Whistler, BC, which has lots of logging roads and rough areas that
need ground clearance. With my current suspension I keep bottoming out on
cross streams and creeks. I also use the highway to get to and from
places and would like to still maintain a smooth ride. Any suggestions
would be helpful as I would like to try and do as much myself as possible.
It is a great hobby!!!!!!! Thank you"
Look into the Old Man Emu suspensions for your YJ, they are a little more
expensive, but they are of extremely high quality. They should deliver a
good ride on the streets too. With a good floor jack/jack stands and some
common hand tools, you should be able to hand the installation in your own
driveway.
"I just recently bought a 88 Wrangler Laredo and
it looks as if the front end is lower than the rear. The front leaf springs
are almost flat(level) and I assume it's just because the springs are
sagging? It's still stock, and I'm running 215/75/15's on it now. I would
like to make it more capable off road without getting too high with a lift.
I was looking at 2 or 2-1/2" lifts and recently found a 'Superlift 1-1/2'
lift for around $100 less than other equally equipped 2 or 2-1/2" ones. I would like
to put on 31" tires and sway bar dissconnects, would this settup work with the 1-1/2"
lift? Thanks!"
You could install 31's with only 1-1/2 inches of lift, but the tires will
be close. You'll probably experience some rub in twisty off road
situations. A 2-1/2" lift would be preferable with 31's for maximum
articulation and travel without rub.
"I was thinking of putting a four inch lift in the
front of my 1981 Jeep CJ7, and a two and a half inch with shackles in the rear. I
was just wondering would this be a very good idea. If done, would the Jeep
sit very unlevel, such as the front being a great deal higher than the rear?"
The rear end would sit noticeably low. Keep in mind that a shackle 1"
longer than stock will only gain 1/2" of lift. You would need a shackle 3"
longer than stock to make it sit level! A shackle that long would be
dangerous and destroy the rear driveshaft angles causing vibration and
probably driveshaft failure.
"I am a college student studying mechanical
engineering and therefore am on a limited budget. I am sick of scraping
rocks when I am on the trails here in the Black Hills. I run 30x9.5 BFG
All-Terrains on stock rims. I am wondering if using add-a-leafs to lift my
Jeep 2-1/2" is recomended or not? Does the added arch in the stock
spring increase the shackle angle too much and therefore move the front
axle centerline back, and the rear axle centerline forward? Thanks for any
advice in advance."
The only good thing about an add-a-leaf lift on a YJ is that it's cheap.
The problem is the ride quality after the leaf is installed. The heavily
arched leaf will make the spring pack way too stiff for not only a
comfortable ride, but for good articulation off-road. The change in the
axle centerline will be very slight and won't be a problem. The change in
pinion angle from the lift will give you grief though, you'll need to lower
the transfer case and install shims between the spring pack and axles to
retain proper driveshaft geometry and avoid vibration, don't forget longer
shocks too.
"I want to run 33 x 12.50 tires on my 1989 Wrangler.
I am looking at a Black Diamond 4-inch suspension lift. Will I have the driveshaft
vibration that I keep reading about with this type of lift? If so, what
other alternatives do I have to allow the 33's to fit. What type of wheel
spacing would be preferred to keep the tires under the fenderwell as much
as possible? Will this drop my 6-cylinder's performance?"
You shouldn't have driveshaft vibration problems if you purchase a complete
kit. Problems tend to arise when less expensive add-a-leaf type or even
shackle lifts are used, neither of which take driveshaft angles into
account. You'll have to make a trade off regarding the wheel backspacing.
The stock backspacing would keep the majority of your 33x12.50's under the
fenders, but would greatly decrease your turning radius due to the rub of
the tire against the leaf spring. To solve the rub, you have to decrease
backspacing, in doing so you push the tire farther out of the fenderwell.
My advice is to try several different combinations at the tire store and
pick the compromise you can most easily live with.
"I have a 1997 Jeep Cherokee Sport that at present
time is totally stock. I would like to put bigger tires so it will look
better. The most 4-wheeling I do is on the snow covered back raods of VT
and old logging roads in the summer time. There is nothing too technical
about the driving I do. I will probably put 30x9.50 BFG Mud Terrains on
the Jeep, but would love to put 31 x 10.50 on instead. Four Wheeler
magazine had a chart in their June 1997 issue that states my Jeep could
handle 31 x 10.50's as a stock vehicle. I have asked my Jeep dealer and the
local tire dealers for advice and they are reluctant to get involved with
specifics. Can you tell me if they would fit without any modification? Any
advise would be helpful and appreciated."
The 30's are a tight fit as it is on a stock XJ. Don't install 31's
without a suspension lift.
"In the near future I intend on buying a set of
31X10.5X15 BFG A/T for my '94 Jeep Wrangler. I will have to run these on my
stock rims until I get around to purchasing Centerline Ht II 15x8.5, with a
backspacing of 3.75. My question is, until I am able to pick-up a set of
Centerlines, How much fender rubbing will there be? Should I add a 2" lift
before going to the 31x10.5, or will the 15x8.5 with 2.75" backspacing solve
the fender rubbing."
Don't attempt to install the 31's on your YJ without some sort of lift. The
lack of clearance would be both dangerous and damaging to your Jeep. After
the lift, fender rub won't be the problem. The problem is the 31's on stock
rims will rub the front leaf springs in a sharp turn, enough that it will
significantly reduce your turning radius. Measuring the backspacing of your
stock rims and subtracting about an inch should put you in the ballpark to
avoid tire rub.
"Will 31x10.50r15 tires fit on a 98 Wrangler with
out a lift?"
Yes, but that's the max size without a lift.
"So there are no body lift kits available. Does
that mean that I can't lift my XJ!?"
Not at all, virtually every major aftermarket suspension manufacturer has a
suspension lift for your Cherokee. Most of the kits only require replacing
the springs and shocks.
"Recently I had a Trailmaster 2" lift installed in
my 1997 TJ. I would like to add a 1" body lift. Will anything need to be
modified for this to be possible?"
Body lifts and suspension lifts are very similar in that the greater the
lift, the more corrections have to be made. The only problem I can see with
your minimal body lift is the need to relocate the fan shroud and radiator
down an inch after the body lift is installed.
"I am considering a mild lift kit. I don't really
want more than 2". I originally looked at ARB/OME but think they are too
expensive. So now I am looking around. Do you suggest "Heckethorn" or
someone else to get the same ride and all as the EMU system?"
You've heard the cliche "you get what you pay for"? I've found the ARB/Old
Man Emu suspensions perform very well. If you don't want to sport for the
OME suspension, the Rancho 2.5" kit is pretty good.
"I want to install a 2" suspension lift on my
1994 Wrangler, do I need a transfer case lowering kit?"
A 2" suspension lift on a YJ is right on the border as far as lowering the
transfer case. You'll will need to use shims between the axle housing and
springs to rotate the pinion upward, and that alone may be enough to avoid
driveshaft vibration. If not, you'll need to either lower the case or swap
to a CV style rear driveshaft.
"I have a stock '95 Wrangler with whatever the
most basic tires were for 1995 purchases. It has since been strongly
reccomended that I upgrade from the stock small tires & rims to 7" rims and
30" tires. Why would I need to go to bigger rims? Would it make that much
difference? With the 30" tires & 7" rims would I need any modifications
(lift, steering, etc)? Is there any particular types of tires that you
recommend for on-road/off-road use? This vehicle is also my daily driver.
Also, with 30" tires, will my chains still be usable? Or, would I need to
switch to cables, or use studded tires? Thanks!"
The stock rims are 6" wide and are a little narrow for a 30x9.50 tire. The
30" tires on the stock rims will also rub the rear portion of the leaf
spring during a sharp turn. The wider rim will lessen the problem, but may
not cure it, it depends on the offset of the new rims. No suspension or
steering modifications are required to run the 30" tires.
I like BFGoodrich all terrains for the daily driven 4x4. They're fairly
quiet on pavement and will have much better traction off road than the
stock tires. They make chains for a 30" tire, but I'm afraid there won't be
enough clearance and they will probably hit your fender flares. You just
might find you don't need the chains with the new tires anyway.
"I just bought my XJ and was wondering what the
largest tire I could fit without any trimming or lifting? I am going to
lift it, but probably not for another 4-6 months after the tires because of
a cash shortage. Also do they make body lifts for my XJ? Thanks."
A 30" tire is the max for a stock XJ. There are no body lifts for your
Cherokee because it is a unibody vehicle. The frame and body are integral,
meaning you can't stick spacers in between the two to achieve lift.
"Dear Grant,
I was wondering what tire size can I go to without going outside
the Fender flares. Some cops like those easy tickets!!"
It depends on the offset and width of your existing rims. On the stock
rims, a 30x9.50R15 is about as wide as you can go. Be warned though, these
tires will rub the leaf springs in a sharp turn with the stock rims. You
can buy wider fender flares if you're concerned about coverage and still
want a wider tire.
"I have a few questions.
First, I noticed that you suggested a 4" lift for someone who wanted to
add 33" tires to his YJ. I was under the impression that your lift only
needed to be half as high as the difference between what the vehicle would
fit stock and the new tires. (Because the difference in tire size from the
axle to the top is where body clearence matters.) Am I confused.
Second, could you explain the Trac-Loc diff? I hear it's not a true locker.
Third, what are the dangers of disconnects for the swaybar? Are they
likely? I don't want to do any serious dammage off-road.
Fourth, and last, I want to add a receiver hitch to my Jeep. Mopar only
offers a class I. That would probably be okay if I only wanted to tow
trailers (because the max 2,000lbs is a saftey max for the Jeep itself).
But because my Sahara came with front, but not rear tow hooks, I need
something in the back to hook onto if (when) I get stuck front-end in. I
also plan to hook a ski/bike carrier to the hitch. What do you recommend?
I'd prefer something with bolts that matched the already existing holes in
my frame."
I'll answer in the same order that you asked.
If you wanted to install a 2" taller tire, you could install a 1" lift and
have the same vertical fender clearance. The problem is the suspension will
still compress until it hits the bumpstops, meaning you've probably
rearranged your fenders with the larger tires. You could solve the fender
interference by lowering the bumpstops 1", but now you're taking away that
much desirable suspension travel. Most suspension lifts (especially those
for the TJ) offer much greater suspension travel than stock. To take full
advantage of the travel, you have to run a tire that won't hit your fenders
at full compression.
The Trac-Loc is not a true locker. It is a clutch-type limited slip unit.
It's ability to transfer torque equally to both axle shafts is dependent
on the friction of the clutches. As the unit wears, it's effectiveness drops
dramatically.
There is no danger when properly using swaybar disconnects off-road in
slow-driving situations. Disabling the swaybar simply allows better
articulation on the axle. Never leave the swaybar disconnected during high
speed use on or off road, the body roll without a swaybar and it's effects
on steering are more than a handful.
You could either install the Mopar hitch or buy an aftermarket bumper from
a company like Currie Ent. or Tomken Machine that has a built in hitch.
Both companies also sell a tow hook that slips into your receiver if/when
you do need to pull or be pulled from the rear.
"Do you know of any one who makes a coil
spring conversion kit for the YJ? I heard of a company called 4Play Offroad, Inc.,
in Alaska, but I am told that they are no longer in business. Has any one checked
the TJ suspension parts for possible use in a YJ conversion? Any help at all in this
area would be greatly appreciated."
Tomken Machine (www.tomken.com) at one point was working on a coil spring
conversion, you might call them to see if they've finished development.
"This summer I had a Trailmaster 6" suspension
lift installed, and I put 35x12.50x15's on it. This coming summer I would
like to install 35x14.50x15 Thornbirds. What will I have to Modify."
As long as your current rims are wide enough (15x10 at least), then you
shouldn't have to make any changes.
"I've heard that it is possible to moderately lift
an XJ by getting some front end springs out of a ZJ Limited, and putting
add-a-leafs on the back without any other mods. Is this possible, or even
feasable?"
I don't know whether the front coils are interchangeable between the ZJ and
XJ. I do know that if your XJ wasn't equipped with the "Up Country" package
than you could gain an inch of lift by swapping in a set of springs from
another XJ with the package.
"I'm new to the Jeep world, just bought the NEW
(to us) family off-roader. My question is two-fold: First, does anyone
out there make a 2" lift for the ZJ? Most afermarket folks have 3-4" kits,
but I've yet to come across a 2" kit. I'd like to put 31" or 33" tires on
her and improve clearance without inducing nosebleed on the wife and kids
(The kids already complain about how hard it is to climb in without help!)
Is 2" enough height to allow 31's without cutting the front fender well?
Second: Can I safely mount 31 or even 33" tires on a 15x7 rim, or do I need
to move up to a 15x8 or 15x10? Thanks for your help and for the great
forum!"
Teraflex (www.teraflx.com) recently introduced a very promising 3" lift for
the ZJ's that clears 31's perfectly. The only 2" lifts I've seen consist of
coil spring spacers. My advice would be to buy the highest quality kit with
the height you want the first time, rather than ripping out the spring
spacers a year later in favor of new springs. Don't worry, with time, your
kids will get taller! The 15x7 rims will work fine with up to a 10.5" wide
tire.
"Will 33x12.5 BFG Radials cause an extreme power loss on a 2.5l
engine with only 15k miles on it? Is there a formula to calculate loss of
power?"
Changing your tire size does not affect your engine performance. Your 4
cyl. will be producing the same 120 horsepower regardless of tire size. The
decrease in performance comes from the larger tires effect on the end drive
ratio. Since a 33" tire covers a greater distance in a single revolution
than the stock tire, the change in performance would be similar to
installing higher axle gears (lower numerically). For instance, your 4
cyl./5 speed combination comes from the factory with 4.10 gears. Installing
33" tires would have the same overall effect on gearing as installing 3.35
axle gears (3.35 axle gears actually do not exist for your Jeep, but that's
not the point). The formula is (original tire diameter/new tire diameter) X
original axle ratio = effective axle ratio. To bring performance back to
near stock, you'd need to install lower (higher numerically) axle gears to
offset the increased tire size. To maintain the original overall gearing
with 33" tires, you'd need axle gears of approximately 5.00:1. Since 4.56:1
gears are the lowest available for your axles, you will not be able to
completely offset the increased tire size. The increased weight of the
larger tires as well as decreased aerodynamics will also play a part in an
overall loss of performance. Whether the resulting performance of your TJ
is satisfactory is up to you. Even if you install the 4.56 gears with the
33" tires, I'd suspect a large portion of your highway driving will be in
4th gear instead of overdrive. A 31" tire (with 4.56 gears) is the largest
tire you can run without a big decrease in performance, particularly on the
highway.
"I read your comment in the archives about the better ride the
2.5'' VS. the 4'' suspension lift provides. I will be fitting 33'' tires on
my CJ7 in the next few months. Most tech notes/FAQ's recommend a 4''
suspension lift for 33'' tires. HOWEVER, I would like to use a 2.5''
suspension lift a 1'' body lift and possibly minor rear fender trimming.
What is your recommendation? Do I need the full 4'' suspension lift for
better articulation?"
You've got the right idea with the 2.5" suspension and 1" body lifts to run
33's. Your driveshaft U-joints will be happier with the moderate suspension
lift and you're less likely to experience vibration problems. I don't think
you'll have any problem with tire rub even if you don't cut the
fenders/flares. There is also a good possibility that the 2.5" lift will
deliver better articulation since the 4" springs tend to be grossly stiff.
"I have a 1984 Wagoneer. I would like to know if there is a kit to flip the
front axle onto the bottom of the spring. I have seen a few people with
there units in another mag that have done that. If you could point
me in the right direction, I would truly appreciate it."
There currently aren't any off the shelf "kits" for a Wagoneer spring over.
You might try contacting 4x4 shops in your area to find one with experience
performing the conversion.
"I own a 65 I-H scout 800, and was wondering if the same "problems" that the
Jeep has with a spring over will be the same on the Scout? Also do you know
anyone who has a kit or should I find a local shop to do it? Any advice
would be of great help in the future of my building of the Scout to be a
semi-bullet proof trail rig with good manners in most conditions. I live in
the San Bernardino Mountains area and like to crawl."
The only thing that wouldn't apply is the problem of some of the Jeep's
super short rear driveshafts. I don't know of anyone that makes a kit, but
even if somebody did I'd still suggest it would be best to have a
professional shop with several successful spring overs under their belt
perform the conversion.
"Here is what I want to do. I want to upgrade my stock '91 Jeep Wrangler
with a 2.5" ProComp suspension lift, so I can add new wheels and
31x10.50R tires. I am not a serious off-roader, but I want the
capability for minor off-roading. Anyway, concerning backspacing and
rim to tire size, what do you recommend?"
You'll probably have to use a rim with slightly less backspacing so that the
larger tires will not rub the leafs in a sharp turn. Try and retain as much
backspacing as possible without tire rub, this my require a little trial and
error while you're at the tire store but when you're spending that much
money, they're willing to work with you. For 31x10.50R15 tires, 15x8's would
be a perfect match.
"I just bought a 1997 Wrangler SE 2.5L with P215/75 R15 tires.
What would be the largest recommended tires I could mount? I've been
looking at 30 X 9.50 BFG All-Terrains. I spend a lot my time travelling
on the highway going up steep hills and cruising at speeds of about
70-75 mph. Right now the P215's work fine with the 4cylinder engine. My
biggest concerns about using larger tires are altered speedometer
readings, power loss (it's tough enough on the 4cyl), and of course
reduced mpg. Would there be that much of a difference changing to 30"
tires?"
Your 215/75R15's are about 27" tall. With 30" tires your speedometer will
read 70 mph when you're actually traveling about 77mph. This is just a close
estimation because 215's aren't exactly 27 inches tall and 30's are actually
a bit shorter. The formula is (new tire diameter/original tire diameter) x
indicated speed = actual speed. You can correct the speedometer reading by
either swapping to lower axle gears or by changing your speedometer gear. If
you have a 5 speed with your 4 cylinder, then you have 4.10 axle gears.
Since the larger tires have essentially the same effect as installing
numerically lower axle gears, the 30" tires would feel like 3.69 axle gears
with stock tires. Since 3.69 axle gears were never produced, you'll have to
settle for the closest match, which is 3.73. Replacing your existing
speedometer gear with one for a 3.73 geared TJ would correct the error
caused by the tires. Replacing the speedometer gear however, doesn't do
anything for the perceived power loss after adding larger tires.
The much more expensive option of replacing axle gears with numerically
higher gears will not only solve your speedometer error, it will also nearly
eliminate any perceived power loss. Again assuming you have 4.10 gears, a
swap to 4.56's would perfectly offset the increased tire size.
Of course, you could always just mount the new tires, know your speedometer
is going to read about 10% slow, and downshift a little more often up big hills.
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